see, my hypothesis is that religion is a constraint on society. goodwill toward men, teach treating everybody as jesus taught the same as you. how you would like to be treated. the 10 commandments. there are constraints against bad behavior. >> of which the 10 commandments do you value. >> all of them. >> thou shall not make a graven image. >> thou shall not violate the sabbath. >> thou shall not kill. >> widespread believe. >> not by joseph stalin they all had one thing in common they didn't believe in god. >> in any case it has nothing to do with whether you believe in god or not. >> you don't see religion as constraint on human evil. who is more evil. >> what i do think logical connection between believing in god and doing some times doing evil things. >> so what do you say to a guy like dawkins? i had him on twice. and you have never talked to him face to face, right? >> yes, he ambushed me when i was in oxford. he used a subterfuge channel 4 called me wanted to do interview. went into the interview. >> bill: it was him. >> it was him. >> bill